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Weinstein rolls with Fraggle Rock movie

Discussion in 'Fraggle Rock' started by GelflingWaldo, May 13, 2008.

  1. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I know, right. I'm all for racy muppetiness, but it's sad that it takes precedence over the world-peace-centric fraggle gang. Fraggle Rock is actually the movie that should have come out about 8 years ago. :coy: People needed to hear its message even more back then.

    I'm still bewildered about the lack of hope in all these fraggley-hearted folk. I guess there's more Boobers. I like Boober so I'll focus on that. Who knows what's up with this film? Only Weinstein and a few of his executives. I still see the chances of this getting made in positive 60/40 split and I'll remain in that holding pattern until hearing otherwise by somebody with some new news. :excited:
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I gotta say, I thought it was a brilliant psychological character piece, but I would refrain from bringing any small children to see it, or buy them the video. It IS a pretty scary film. The thing that really gets me is that Lotso was so folksy and likable UNTIL you find his sick slave trade style motivations. It wasn't the usual cartoony villain who comes on evil and stays evil. I will say I'd be shocked if ANY kid wants to buy a Lotso after this (the talking ones will sit on shelves, mark my words). He may not exactly be Chuckie, but he is a pretty disturbing figure. Though, honestly, I'd buy the small bean bag (if I didn't want Dug the dog and Phineas, Ferb, and Perry a lot more).


    Okay... without getting too political. We seem to forget the climate of 8 years ago. Anyone who spoke peace or even reasonable logic against war was shut up, silence, ignored, called a traitor... etc. The "liberals" of Hollywood didn't even touch the Iraq war until it was more and more fashionable to talk against it. Like I say, the same people who gave the Oscar to The Hurt Locker are the same people who booed Michael Moore when he said what he said. People do not like movies telling them what to do. Morals IN movies are usually plastic stuff (i.e. follow your dreams) that Hollywood doesn't even want to have apply to them, but people pretend those are heart warming messages. People accept that.

    If you had a movie that promoted peace, only peace lovers would watch it. You cannot open the eyes of any one too obstinate to open them themselves, be they on one political side or the other. If the Fraggles said "Hey, silly creatures, stop hating each other and don't go killing your kids," they would have been called bleeding heart commie traitors. The right wouldn't accept it any more than the left would accept the tedious An American Carol whinefest.

    Remember how we hated the fact the French didn't want to go into the war so much we renamed them "freedom Fries?" I would NOT like to have seen the Fraggles subjected to that stuff.

    But that said...

    If Weinstine wasn't stalling, dragging their feet, going behind Corey's back, and generally being like EVERY other film studio (the irony that they're an indie-ish company that Henson deliberately went to so they could avoid that is so thick you could cut it with a knife), I'd be a lot more hopeful. But Cory said it himself on the Muppet Mindset. Nothing's happening. They haven't even manage to mention the other writer, what his script is about, or whatever's going on. The edgy thing freaks everyone out because, again, it's subjective. It's ill defined. It could mean anything, and usually means the worst possible thing. Why they're so afraid of using Cory's script is beyond me... why they can't just pass it around Henson, surviving Fraggle staff, and the Muppeteers behind it like how Disney passed it around EVERYONE before they started filming is even further out of my grasp. The movie really needs to start shooting by next June for it to ever get made, and they're still in the prepreprepreproduction stage.
  3. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I'd love Cory Edwards to start his filming right away so that next year's Muppet movie would have a preview of the Fraggle Rock movie mixed in with the rest of its trailers, but the only clock on a fraggle film (aside from the one counting down how long Weinstein will continue to retain the rights) is the one we fans have given to it. I don't think that this "no news" is either good or bad. Maybe they were embarrassed by how these problems were made public so they're keeping a lid on it (even from Edwards) until they make a decision.

    On another note, has Henson even approved any draft of the script yet? I forget if they have. I remember that they were incredibly involved with the action figures! You wouldn't expect that level of commitment especially from such a small group of people on a simple product, but I know they have clear opinions on their properties and won't put their stamp of approval on anything they aren't happy about. I remember a weeks-long debate about Mavin Suggs' loafers! If Ken, Palisades and I had it our way he would have sported some thicker-healed platform shoes. I really wanted to see the repaint Suggs wearing clear platform shoes with goldfish in them! That would have never happened.

    They could actually greenlight this movie at a moment's notice. I don't think that's likely. I just hope that they're taking this window of opportunity to get everything sorted so that shooting can take place sometime next year once the other Muppet and Henson fare has been completed. I still have hope in the Fraggles.
  4. Mupp

    Mupp Well-Known Member

    Yes, I understand what you are saying.
    Although kids tend to be full of surprises, some kids are able to handle scary stuff.

    Oh, and since you brought it up. I wasen't sure about Phineas and Ferb at first, but it has some really good humor. Its a fun show, so its not surprising that the show is popular. I wouldn't be surprised if Disney made a theatrical movie someday.

    And I also agree with you about what you said about the Weinstein Company dragging its feet.

    I have to say, at this point I am VERY glad that The Muppet Show characters are with Disney now.

    Poor Fraggles. :sympathy:
  5. beau

    beau Well-Known Member

    Come to Phoenix and you'll eat your words.
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Not at the showing I was at... :mad: I GOTTA stop seeing kid's movies. "Mommy MommY! Who's dat! Who's dis?" The horror stories I could tell you about when I went to see Bolt. Kids running up and down the aisles... madness.
    From what I heard there will be a movie no doubt, but likely a DTV release. That disappoints me to a great extent. This is by far the most popular show Disney created since perhaps the Disney Afternoon era, and it's really lifting the TV animation studio they WANTED to shut down back up. The problem is that the American public just doesn't know how to deal with current animated features based on current cartoon series (Japan does it marvelously). That explains why it took them almost 20 years for a Simpsons movie. I say, compromise and give it a limited theatrical release during a minor school break session (February- March). I'm amazed at how good Recess and Teacher's Pet's movies turned out. All TV cartoons should be experienced on the big screen. Too bad we get so few of them theatrically. But enough on that.

    The project was announced pretty far back. Maybe 2007. About 2009 somewhere, Cory kept saying "Keep faith... something's happening." Then after months of nothing we heard the rumors of going behind his back for another script, and it's been dead in the water ever since. The Muppet Mindset blog posted that nothing is still happening (or not happening?) straight from Cory a couple weeks ago at most. I doubt that we're going to get the weeks of nothing then something big like most movies usually go (That was the case of the Muppet Movie). It's been a case of something...nothing nothing nothing nothing ...something minor...nothing nothing SETBACK flatline.

    At one point, Cory said that everyone liked the script generally (I'm sure Henson approved, or was close to it). So far Henson and Cory seem to be the only ones that want this film to happen. Weinstine's going around for another script was troubling on too many levels. It's stalling the project for one thing, and even if it wasn't some red herring, the fact that the script needs to be "hip" is very disturbing. Like I've said a million times, Henson wouldn't have gone to such a small studio for the same treatment they could have gotten at a powerful studio that would have put it out by now. I'd love to say that taking their time on the project is a good thing, but it's been footdragging and Wembling, and meandering. If it's because they're trying to get another partner or something, then I'll stop vilifying them.
  7. BobThePizzaBoy

    BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    Surprisingly, I've never had that problem when I go to see G and PG movies in the past couple of years. When I saw The Princess and the Frog on New Year's Day no less, all the kids were on their best behavior possible which surprised. When I saw How to Train Your Dragon, there was one kid in the row right in front of me who was pretty much crying through the second half of the movie. And there was when I saw Ratatouille a second time, there was a little girl who just flat out lost interest in the movie and walked up and down the aisle who was surprisingly quite quiet. Otherwise, little kids don't really get on my nerves at movies, besides I think we were all like that years ago at the movies [I remember losing it when I saw Good Burger in theaters years ago].

    And now back to a discussion on the movie that'll take more time than The Thief and the Cobbler to make.
  8. Mupp

    Mupp Well-Known Member

    I have experienced that very thing myself. I know exactly what you mean. However, that is just an example of kids being obnoxious, not scared. :grouchy:

    These films are not just meant for kids though, they can be enjoyed by everyone. :)
  9. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Kids in movie theaters

    The first theatrical film I remember seeing was at the age of 5 when my parents took me to see the Muppet Movie in 1979. I was well behaved for the entire movie even though the Swedish Chef bit with the film breaking in the middle of it kind of caught me by surprise. It's not age, it's not content. Parents basically suck at teaching kids how to behave in public and will wait for a tantrum to die out instead of removing their hellion from the environment.

    I actually want kids to go to movies, but not if they're going to treat it like they're watching some Dora video at home. Kids should behave in a theater as they would in church or any other such meeting place. I'm not a religious fellow, so to me movies are my church. I go every week and get to learn something new from the minds of creative people...or at least have fun mocking a film that's terrible. That happens too, but it's the shared experience with our friends and other audience members that make it magical. I hope they still have theaters by the time Fraggle Rock comes out! :coy:
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That said, when I saw the Last Airbender, I was sitting in front of a group of negative cultural stereotypes talking all the way through it. Not loudly, but seriously... SERIOUSLY. And these were adults, man. :eek:

    But really... Bolt was murder to watch with those brats behind me. Kept touching me like they were idiots. And the parents did almost nothing. And they just ran around. I hate yuppie parents with a buzzillion kids that can't even discipline them.
  11. Mupp

    Mupp Well-Known Member

    I know exactly what you mean. I have had many bad movie theater experiences as well involving kids.

    I tend to see movies in the evening, there aren't always as many kids in the audience at that time, and even when there are, they are usually a bit more quiet...Sometimes.

    I remember once when I saw an afternoon showing of Cars, there were kids being rowdy the whole time, and at one point a parent started walking their child up and down the stairs to calm them down. :mad:

    Yes, sometimes adults can be just as bad.
  12. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    We're not negative nancy's, we are realists. I remember being on MC in the fall of 1998 when Brian Henson announced a new Dark Crystal film. 12 years later, despite the buzz about a new Dark Crystal film being "in the works", it still seems far from becoming a reality for now. Fraggle Rock is a relatively obscure property, if you're coming at it from a marketing standpoint. And JHC hasn't even begun to really do anything to generate the long road of buzz that Disney has had to do leading to the new Muppet film. Yes, they released season 4 and the FR animated dvd. And Red made a few appearances. And there's some FR merchandise out there. But there's no youtube or online sketches. There's the great comic series, but the actual puppets are a no show

    Is the "Doozer" kids cgi cartoon even still coming out?

    I have to say, looking back...I'm rather ashamed at how so many people(including even myself at times) behaved in that 2001-2004 period. Ken was nice enough to grace the forums, and people just seemed to criticize everything to the nano degree. While it was unprecedented for a company to come online and interact so much with fans, it almost felt like fans were being way too demanding. The fact so many of the Muppet show and other related characters got made, to such deal, with the degree of packins and acessories in such a short 2-3 year timespan is amazing. Though one can only imagine what magic could have been made had Palisades been allowed to continue the Muppet line just one more year into late 2005/early 2006.
  13. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I thankfully cannot recall ever being annoyed by children at a movie theater. Parents should just leave and ask for a refund if their kid starts screaming or becoming unruly.

    Also it puzzles me why children are allowed in R rated movies.
    I mean I can see for maybe a soft R like the Matrix, but even then it should be kids at least 12 or older. Babies/toddlers/kids should NEVER be allowed in an R film, so to me the whole "accompanied by a parent or guardian stipulation" clause of R films make no sense.

    I was always a well behaved kid, taken in early by the awe and magic of films to where I never felt the need to whine or fuss. Even crappy films seemed amazing, as growing up super poor it was a nice treat to go to the show. My first movie I remember
    conciously was Popeye and On Golden Pond in 1981, but the first movie I remember all the way through was ET(when I was 4) in 1982. By the time I was 5 in 1983 I was regularly going to movies and was had the consciousness to appreciate movies in full, like when I saw Return of the Jedi at that time. Im grateful to have gotten to see Muppets Take Manhattan, Goonies and Never Ending Story a year later. (Sadly it seems a lot kids these days in their ADHD addled minds are too ruined by cgi to enjoy good animatronic/puppetry/matte paintings/practical effects)

    The REAL problem with a ruined movie experience is not kids or their parents. It's high schoolers. I cant tell ya how many times Ive had a good movie experience ruined by goofing off kids and or high school couples or squabbling couples.
    This is why I now prefer just catching a matinee on an off day like tuesday, as its mostly the indie/foreign going elderly crowd who are always respectful. (Only time I dont mind talking or chit chat is during comedies or painfully bad movies at bargain cinemas where the whole audience realizes its a poopy film)

    The fact you'd even see Last Airbender confuses and saddens me...unless it was for free or something. Airbender seemed like one of a bunch of stinky action summer films that came out this year.
  14. Frogpuppeteer

    Frogpuppeteer Well-Known Member

    in his defense i saw it too, but i was a fan of the show and was very dissapointed in the movie...i agree with the R rated movies a parents thing, out of the few movies i do go see in theaters im surprised to see toddlers there(Wanted,Watchmen,300)
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I was dragged to it, actually... but I was willing to give it a chance, even though I didn't see the cartoon. I'd actually stutter to even call it an action flick. All I can say it's a glowing example of why M. Night Shamalan should NEVER EVER EVER and I'm talking ever step behind a camera ever again ever. He got lucky with that "I see Dead People" thing and Signs, but none of his movies after that were any good at all. Sure, he claims to love the show it was based off of, but they should have got someone who could do an action kung Fu movie to direct the thing. The kung fu was poorly filmed and only fairly well choreographed. And it was like (and I'm sure like none of you will get this)... it was like Harmony Gold somehow got their hands on the entire first season of Avatar and edited it down for a 90 minute -2 hour movie. And really, if you get the Harmony Gold reference, you KNOW what I mean.

    HOWEVER, it was one of those I like what they were trying to do, if only it had a different director type of deals. It really wanted to be a good movie. It really did. But Shabbadoo ruined it from script to direction. And for the record, who's the guy that says serious acting always has to be wooden? I'll take a movie made by fans (or sort of fans) of the show who actually watched the thing and know the characters and somehow manage to make a C grade product... basically getting everything right the wrong way over trash like Inspector Gadget, Underdog, or Dragon Ball where the people behind the film think they can watch one episode halfway through writing it and getting everything they possibly can get wrong and make a crap project anyway. or worse... the Smurfs, putting them in modern day.

    The fact that the Avatar characters didn't pop out of the TV show and try to get some whining little kid to feel good about themselves almost deserves an Oscar. I'd hate to see a movie 10-20 years down the line where Ang is trying to bend water in a toilet and the other characters are stunned by MP3 players. Shudder...

    It just goes to prove a point. No matter how you make a movie based on a cartoon series, no one manages to get it right. And even when they do, it gets no respect. Like Popeye. Dangit. Popeye was a BRILLIANT film. it was closer to the REAL Thimble Theater Popeye than those cartoons where he just eats spinach and punches out Bluto to get Olive. Anyone who read the original comics would appreciate the film.
  16. Mupp

    Mupp Well-Known Member


    So, I guess the point to all of this is that most of us feel that the Fraggle movie is not going be happening anytime soon. (If at all)

    The same goes for The Dark Crystal sequel.

    Its a real shame.
  17. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I have Airbender on my Netflix queue, but couldn't justify seeing it in the theater. I'm not really a fan of the program so the changes probably wouldn't bother me. I just think it's funny to hear the audible groan any time M. Night Shyamalan's name flashes across the screen in a preview. His name only has cache with an ever thinning herd of followers. I appreciated his first three films, but then he just totally lost it.

    Onto the Fraggles again, I still don't understand the level of production pessimism from folk who are usually so positive about everything else. Right now nothing's happening and there's no news, so I don't really think we can take that as a positive or a negative. Maybe this is one of those glass-half-full-or-empty sort of riddles. I choose to see the glass as merely half.
  18. Mupp

    Mupp Well-Known Member

    It just seems like the odds are against it at this point. After reading Corey's most recent blog posts, I do not have much hope at the moment. Things seem rather grim.
  19. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Yeah, I admit that Cory's posts aren't encouraging, but that is just one party's perspective. He is slated to be the director, but he's not the first person to be attached to the project. It's gone through many hands and could go through some more. This movie is still in development. Weinstein could be doing any number of things behind closed doors. They might be reassembling the project with another team or they could be playing their cards close to their chest so that no more news is leaked until it's time. The truth is that nobody knows what's going on. Personally I hope Cory is still attached and will shoot the film the way he's been talking about for some time, but any speculation right now is premature until the next news bit comes along.
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I actually never got to see the program, and have heard nothing but good things about it. And I hear the movie is pretty close to what the show is like, but again... Harmony Gold. Might as well explain that. 1980's company that dubbed animes and usually either spliced 2 shows into each other, or spliced an entire series or season of a series into a movie, and connected everything with endless narration. Basically it felt exactly like breezing through a season or so of a show in a 2 hour period would feel
    It is a good LOOKING film, though. It could have been a good film all the way around if Shabbadoo hired someone else to be a director, and just sat with a producer credit. And again, why does EVERYONE think that serious dramatic acting is wooden acting? As for M Night Shaggyfromscoobydoo goes, well, it happens. A young upstart director will inevitably and invariably become an old fart or a hack... Lucas, Speilberg, Zermeckis and his HIDEOUS motion capture devices.

    Overall, at least the guy watched the cartoon series. I at least gave him credit for that. Inspector Gadget got EVEYTHING possible wrong. not even the catchphrase (S was missing from Wowsers) or the town name (Riverton? They mention the name of the dang city in almost every episode. it's Metro City, dagnabbit!). Underdog was so bad, the creator was upset with it. Dragon Ball was only made because Fox's option was about to run out, and they didn't want another Watchmen type rights battle. But hey, as if anyone actually wants to do a Dragon Ball movie. It's sad when illegal, unlicensed Hong Kong studios get a better product out there than an official one. Still wish Toriyama and Toei blocked it.

    I want to have some optimism, but I can't. Again, Hoodwinked 2 shot out more flares than could be ignored. They're sitting on a completed movie, what makes anyone think they'll get up and get one that's not even in preproduction yet anytime soon. Even if this does start shooting, the earliest we'd expect it is in 2013. And that's when 90's stuff comes back in fashion and someone makes a terrible Doug movie.

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